HYPERBOREA / Alter Self

**Posted by Iron Ranger** 11/18/2019 9:14 am

Digging the tweak of change self, but I'm hitting a wall on gilled or winged creatures that are men, humanoids, & bipedal species. Lizard men, Fish men, Angels, Demons ... what else are you people casting?

**Posted by gizmomathboy** 11/18/2019 12:41 pm

Buddy in my campaign was looking at the automatons from Kraggoth Manor. Mostly to see how I would rule it I think.

There are lots of interesting spell differences.

Well, you can have some homebrew bird men. Something like the Aarakocra from the 1e Fiend Folio.

**Posted by gizmomathboy** 11/18/2019 12:45 pm

Totally forgot about Bird-men. They might fit into the parameters for the spell...

**Posted by rhialto** 11/18/2019 8:48 pm

I'd also allow vhuurmis and ape-men, and all sorts of beast-men/zoanthrops.

**Posted by mabon5127** 11/19/2019 8:58 am

Gargoyles!

**Posted by francisca** 11/19/2019 5:04 pm

gizmomathboy wrote:
Buddy in my campaign was looking at the automatons from Kraggoth Manor. Mostly to see how I would rule it I think.

The spell reads, in part:

The altered form is limited to men, humanoids, or other bipedal species with which the caster is familiar.

Said Buddy was simply becoming familiar with the creature, to satisfy the requirements of the spell.