HYPERBOREA / Purloiner vs. Legerdemainist

Things I Worked On · **Posted by Ynas Midgard** 9/18/2017 5:05 am

Does anyone else think the higher XP requirement of the Legerdemainist (compared to the Purloiner) is unjustified?

They only differ in the following points:

Legerdemainists have the Read Magic ability
Legerdemainists start with 1 spell; Purloiners start with 2
Legerdemainists learn a single spell at 3rd, 5th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th level (a total of 9 spells); Purloiners learn 2 spells each level (a total of 24 spells); both have access to extracurricural spell learning
Purloiners have the ability to turn undead (with TA equal to level minus 2)
their Read Scrolls and Magic Item Use abilities pertain to different magics

**Posted by mabon5127** 9/18/2017 6:19 am

To me it looks like its related to the source of the spells they use. I don't have the file in front of me but I believe the Legerdemainist draws from higher xp classes for spells than does than does the Purloiner (cleric?). This may generate the higher advancement cost.

**Posted by gizmomathboy** 9/18/2017 8:31 am

I would agree with mabon5127.

Things I Worked On · **Posted by Ynas Midgard** 9/18/2017 1:30 pm

Yeah, that must be it, now that youguys mention it.

**Posted by Blackadder23** 9/18/2017 2:23 pm

The cleric is quite an XP bargain IMO in every Old School edition of D&D. I think this just continues that proud tradition.

**Posted by foxroe** 9/18/2017 4:52 pm

I've learned not to worry too much about the XP differences between classes. Its impact is insignificant in the long run. Barring introducing new PC's during play (death, new player, etc.), characters will never be more than one level apart in experience.

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**Posted by mabon5127** 9/18/2017 8:04 pm

foxroe wrote:
I've learned not to worry too much about the XP differences between classes. Its impact is insignificant in the long run. Barring introducing new PC's during play (death, new player, etc.), characters will never be more than one level apart in experience.

I agree.

**Posted by Ghul** 9/19/2017 8:00 am

Turn Undead is the deal-breaker here. It is a MAJOR ability, even at the stunted progression.

Things I Worked On · **Posted by Ynas Midgard** 9/25/2018 9:57 am

Ghul wrote:
Turn Undead is the deal-breaker here. It is a MAJOR ability, even at the stunted progression.

Uhm, yeah, I agree. Yet, the Legerdemainist needs 2750 for 2nd level, while the Purloiner "only" needs 2500.

**Posted by achiriaco** 9/25/2018 11:54 am

Blackadder23 wrote:
The cleric is quite an XP bargain IMO in every Old School edition of D&D. I think this just continues that proud tradition.

100% agree.