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3/31/2022 7:56 am  #21


Re: Gods of the Forbidden North

Caveman wrote:

rhialto wrote:

The author just posted a fulsome explanation for "why more $ upfront?", and I appreciate his openness even more now. My x:12 chances of supporting just shifted dramatically. https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

lol, yeah it not easy to know how much we can trust a total stranger, but he seems sincere.
 

As did Mike Nystul, Ernie and Benoist, etc...  and I actually knew the latter two (which is why I didn't pledge, actually.....)

And after reading his lecture about what kickstarter is....I can get a condescending lecture on about any topic on the internet for free.  Creators on KS can trot the "Kickstarter is not a store..." line out all they want, but the fact of the matter is: people who cough up money for something, expect something for their money.  Clearly those who take the money and run, without meeting their production goals, are unlikely to get funded for their artistic endeavors in the future.  However, to a large portion of those who pledge, KS is a pre-order network, despite the pie-in-the-sky ideal of supporting art, that the platform espouses.  Creators may not like it, but that is the defacto point of view.

And don't get me wrong, I have almost pulled the trigger on this thing more than once.  It sounds and looks awesome.  But personally, I don't really need a megadungeon. I need to toss money down the drain even less. But having said that, I'll probably pay for retail for it, if/when it is available, because I do in fact, want to support independant publishers of OSR/old-school D&D-esque material.  You'd be stunned at the extent of my dtrpg library, of which only a comparatively small portion is comprised of companies like WotC.

Are you familiar with G. Hawkins, who did the Gunderholfen mega-dungeon without any crowdfunding?  Writing, editing, art, layout, everything done by him, without any financial support.  I'll never run it, but that is a passionate guy who did it for the art, and somebody I was more than happy to support.

Last edited by francisca (3/31/2022 8:18 am)

 

3/31/2022 8:28 am  #22


Re: Gods of the Forbidden North

Caveman wrote:

rhialto wrote:

The author just posted a fulsome explanation for "why more $ upfront?", and I appreciate his openness even more now. My x:12 chances of supporting just shifted dramatically. https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

lol, yeah it not easy to know how much we can trust a total stranger, but he seems sincere.
 

At least worth giving a chance: there's always a first time for everyone.


"It is all very well to point out that the man lacks facility; as he asserts, sheer force can overpower sophistication."
Jack Vance, Rhialto the Marvellous
 

3/31/2022 8:36 am  #23


Re: Gods of the Forbidden North

francisca wrote:

And after reading his lecture about what kickstarter is....I can get a condescending lecture on about any topic on the internet for free.  Creators on KS can trot the "Kickstarter is not a store..." line out all they want, but the fact of the matter is: people who cough up money for something, expect something for their money.  Clearly those who take the money and run, without meeting their production goals, are unlikely to get funded for their artistic endeavors in the future.  However, to a large portion of those who pledge, KS is a pre-order network, despite the pie-in-the-sky ideal of supporting art, that the platform espouses.  Creators may not like it, but that is the defacto point of view.

I didn't take it as condescending, just fully explanatory, since this is his first time running something on KS. I think KS has been around long enough that caveat emptor is well-known, but maybe not. Having never been burned on KS yet there's always a first time for that, too...https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

francisca wrote:

And don't get me wrong, I have almost pulled the trigger on this thing more than once.  It sounds and looks awesome.  But personally, I don't really need a megadungeon. I need to toss money down the drain even less. But having said that, I'll probably pay for retail for it, if/when it is available, because I do in fact, want to support independant publishers of OSR/old-school D&D-esque material.  You'd be stunned at the extent of my dtrpg library, of which only a comparatively small portion is comprised of companies like WotC.

I think we're in the same boat here, maybe even pulling at the same oar.

francisca wrote:

Are you familiar with G. Hawkins, who did the Gunderholfen mega-dungeon without any crowdfunding?  Writing, editing, art, layout, everything done by him, without any financial support.  I'll never run it, but that is a passionate guy who did it for the art, and somebody I was more than happy to support.

Not until now, so off to take a look: thanks!
 


"It is all very well to point out that the man lacks facility; as he asserts, sheer force can overpower sophistication."
Jack Vance, Rhialto the Marvellous
 

3/31/2022 9:02 am  #24


Re: Gods of the Forbidden North

rhialto wrote:

I think we're in the same boat here, maybe even pulling at the same oar.
 

Pull, Brother!  Pull!

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3/31/2022 9:39 am  #25


Re: Gods of the Forbidden North

francisca wrote:

rhialto wrote:

I think we're in the same boat here, maybe even pulling at the same oar.
 

Pull, Brother!  Pull!

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'Til I have no more strength! https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/stoned.png


"It is all very well to point out that the man lacks facility; as he asserts, sheer force can overpower sophistication."
Jack Vance, Rhialto the Marvellous
 

4/01/2022 7:38 am  #26


Re: Gods of the Forbidden North

francisca wrote:

As did Mike Nystul, Ernie and Benoist, etc...  and I actually knew the latter two (which is why I didn't pledge, actually.....)

Well, I not know who they are, did they betray?

francisca wrote:

And don't get me wrong, I have almost pulled the trigger on this thing more than once.  It sounds and looks awesome.  But personally, I don't really need a megadungeon. I need to toss money down the drain even less. But having said that, I'll probably pay for retail for it, if/when it is available, because I do in fact, want to support independant publishers of OSR/old-school D&D-esque material.  You'd be stunned at the extent of my dtrpg library, of which only a comparatively small portion is comprised of companies like WotC.

Are you familiar with G. Hawkins, who did the Gunderholfen mega-dungeon without any crowdfunding?  Writing, editing, art, layout, everything done by him, without any financial support.  I'll never run it, but that is a passionate guy who did it for the art, and somebody I was more than happy to support.

Yeah, I not truly need a mega-dungeon, mostly I just do it to support those keeping the cause going and read the adventure.

Gunderholfen mega-dungeon: Will have a look, not know of it, but looking at it now, certainly worth a buy..., well I just bought the PDF...

As you probably know, it just the modern world. People do KS to support their work, it just the 21st Century.




 

 

8/31/2022 3:28 pm  #27


Re: Gods of the Forbidden North

That looks very awesome...
I tend to be overly cautious about such things though https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/confused.png


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