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11/05/2017 9:20 am  #21


Re: Demihumans!

I also have a strong urge to use ASSH for more high fantasy campaign settings and have been pondering which rule-set to pinch demi-humans from.

Labyrinth Lord and Swords and Wizardry both seem a bit too basic and lacking in flavour for my taste. The other system I considered is Adventures Dark & Deep.
I'm loath to introduce something that might upset the rules-balance of ASSH.

Any chance of high fantasy optional supplement Jeffrey? http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

 

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11/05/2017 5:53 pm  #22


Re: Demihumans!

I do have them on my blog as options for Astonishing Swordsmen And Sorcerers of Hyperborea on my blog.

That said I've already got a player intrigued by the dangerous elf idea so I'm going to make a detailed re-write of demi-humans for Astonishing 2.

Edit: After all: Dwarves and Hyperborea: A Fictional Iceland Baedeker Guide https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00IPQGPY6/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_ss6.zbR9X17GF

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11/06/2017 6:16 pm  #23


Re: Demihumans!

I often wonder how people see the Lord of the Rings as 'high fantasy' considering that it is a story of loss, horrible alchemical experiments (Saruman creating the uruk-hai), and the reduction of the world from one of wonder and magic to the mundane world we have inherited. It is fairly low magic and dismal. Defeating the great evil still ruins everything. In essence, the world became what the goblins wanted, one of noise, pollution, destruction, war and machinery.

 

11/06/2017 6:42 pm  #24


Re: Demihumans!

bat wrote:

I often wonder how people see the Lord of the Rings as 'high fantasy' considering that it is a story of loss, horrible alchemical experiments (Saruman creating the uruk-hai), and the reduction of the world from one of wonder and magic to the mundane world we have inherited. It is fairly low magic and dismal. Defeating the great evil still ruins everything. In essence, the world became what the goblins wanted, one of noise, pollution, destruction, war and machinery.

Can you give an example of a literary work that you would consider to be "high fantasy"? http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

 


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11/06/2017 7:08 pm  #25


Re: Demihumans!

I would consider Earthsea high fantasy. And The Hobbit (which is told from Bilbo's point of view, The Red Book of Westmarch has several writers, which may have taken the sense of wonder that Bilbo had out of it). The Silmarillion is also high fantasy, with magic all over the place. Most of Dunsany's stories I would also consider high fantasy, and even Shannara. Edding's Belgariad. Heck, the Elric stories are very high fantasy, with pacts to elementals and forces of Chaos here and there, magical artifacts abound and Tolkien just had ONE ring, Elric has to deal with TWO swords.

 

11/07/2017 1:26 pm  #26


Re: Demihumans!

Thanks. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

So your yardstick for "high fantasy" would be related to the number of magic items and/or magic spells in evidence? I would guess the people who categorize LotR as "high fantasy" are using a different yardstick (specifically, I believe they are probably considering fantasy with a "legendary" or "mythical" tone to be "high fantasy", while fantasy with a "grittier" or more "naturalistic" tone is considered "sword & sorcery").

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"The fear of death, its risk each time, is one of the most stimulating parts of the game. It therefore behooves the referee to include as many mystifying and dangerous areas as is consistent with a reasonable chance for survival." - J. Eric Holmes
 

11/07/2017 3:59 pm  #27


Re: Demihumans!

No, I was being a smart apple about the swords.
To me Lord of the Rings is just a dismal tale of loss.
Now gritty is different, I'd put Glen Cook's Black Company series into the gritty category.

 

11/07/2017 4:34 pm  #28


Re: Demihumans!

I consider High Fantasy to be anything where the world is drastically different than ours.
LotR with armies of monsters and Demi humans,etc.
I don't consider Game of Thrones high fantasy, even though it has an undead army and dragons, because it's still recognizable as similar to the real world.


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11/13/2017 1:49 pm  #29


Re: Demihumans!

In Lin Carter's Imaginary Worlds he goes into some depth regarding Fritz Leiber's term, 'secondary world' which just means a world like ours with recognizable things in it like horses, trees, rivers, gnomes, things we see or know are in this world as well. I believe that this is the root most often used in fantasy tales, high, low or in between. 

 

Yesterday 12:01 pm  #30


Re: Demihumans!

High Fantasy = Save the World
Sword & Sorcery = Save Your Ass
 


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Yesterday 12:02 pm  #31


Re: Demihumans!

Aaaaaand on topic:

Demihumans are restricted to Underborea.

No halflings... this ain't your mother's Shire.
Elves aren't immortal fey... they're all Undead.
Dwarves are per AS&SH. Or they're rock-creatures... that worship Medusae.
Gnomes are... on the menu.


"I, Satampra Zeiros of Uzuldaroum, shall write with my left hand, since I have no longer any other, the tale of everything that befell Tirouv Ompallios and myself in the shrine of the god Tsathoggua..."
 

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