I like the change; it's intuitive and flows.

I like it Ghul, very similar to how I've been running things in my campaign.  Sticking to the "melee/missile/magic/move" bits with the half portions included but not using the Phase bits.  I hear you about the convention perspective whereas some people give the blank stare about Phase one and Phase two.  In that type of setting I adjudicated based on what people told me.

Ynas Midgard wrote:

Do I understand it correctly that first the winners of initiative do melee, then the losers, then the winners shoot missiles, then the losers, and so forth?

No, the side that wins goes first (melee, missiles, magic, movement), followed by the side that loses (melee, missiles, magic, movement).
 

Interesting, I did feel the phasing needed to be made more intuitive and I think this does it and yet retains the crunch and tactical feel. Nice ! 

is there still a statement of intent and so spellcasters will be affected by missiles before declared spells go off ?

Ynas Midgard wrote:

Do I understand it correctly that first the winners of initiative do melee, then the losers, then the winners shoot missiles, then the losers, and so forth?

I read it that way at first too. I might try and run combats that way anyway. 
 

Jimm.Iblis wrote:

Ynas Midgard wrote:

Do I understand it correctly that first the winners of initiative do melee, then the losers, then the winners shoot missiles, then the losers, and so forth?

I read it that way at first too. I might try and run combats that way anyway. 
 

Yes, I like that too.

Jimm.Iblis wrote:

Ynas Midgard wrote:

Do I understand it correctly that first the winners of initiative do melee, then the losers, then the winners shoot missiles, then the losers, and so forth?

I read it that way at first too. I might try and run combats that way anyway. 
 

If you do, I would suggest conflating "Missiles" and "Magic" into a single category, so you have something like Side 1 melee, Side 2 melee, Side 1 missiles and magic, Side 2 missiles and magic, Side 1 movement, Side 2 movement. I think the alternating sides in a single round will slow combat down, though, so I'm not particularly fond of the idea to begin with, but I'd be curious to hear how it goes.
 

- Map reworked by Glynn Seal and to be presented in atlas format and special poster version.
- Gynn Seal has recoloured the map.

- 12 new playable character races (Anglo-Saxon, Carolingian Frank, Esquimaux-Ixian, Greek, Lapp, Lemurian, Moor, Mu, Oon, Roman, Tlingit, Yakut).
- Languages: More available languages available.

i want focus a little on these lines.

does the map has been updated and added new locations in the lore of the setting? like a new city-state? or new named villages for some of the new races?

will you go in a little more detail in languages in 3e. like have examples of how they write in some of those languages. (many people don't know what the Greek / Hellenic alphabet is for example).

as a Greek i feel i have to ask. how in depth are you gonna get in that? Will be there Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians for example (i have added it in my houserules but i will get if you don't go in depth).

demetrisathanasopoulos wrote:

- Map reworked by Glynn Seal and to be presented in atlas format and special poster version.
- Gynn Seal has recoloured the map.

- 12 new playable character races (Anglo-Saxon, Carolingian Frank, Esquimaux-Ixian, Greek, Lapp, Lemurian, Moor, Mu, Oon, Roman, Tlingit, Yakut).
- Languages: More available languages available.

i want focus a little on these lines.

does the map has been updated and added new locations in the lore of the setting? like a new city-state? or new named villages for some of the new races?

will you go in a little more detail in languages in 3e. like have examples of how they write in some of those languages. (many people don't know what the Greek / Hellenic alphabet is for example).

as a Greek i feel i have to ask. how in depth are you gonna get in that? Will be there Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians for example (i have added it in my houserules but i will get if you don't go in depth).

The map is mostly the same -- it's been recolored, and we have some new fonts, and there may be a few additional places named, but nothing significant. The default year remains 576, so nothing new such as a city-state has popped up overnight. 

Bear in mind that the new races are mostly not new (except for the Franks, mentioned in 3e for the first time). They've been mentioned in previous editions as either considered extinct or close to it. These are small population groups that cling to survival in various lands and in small cultural groups in the City-State of Khromarium.

We're not going that detailed into the Greek writing system, not any other writing system (from the real world or the fictional races). That level of depth is something you would have to develop on your own, but I do appreciate that you are able to bring a greater level of authenticity to the Hellenic people of your Hyperborea campaign!

The same thing goes for Athenian, Spartans, and Macedonians. Because the Greeks of Hyperborea have been in the realm for more than a thousand years, and because their race is in severe decline (Green Death, wars, monsters, intermingling with others), distinguishing between them is not being done in any official capacity -- but of course you are welcome to do so in your campaign. The surviving Greeks may have had their cultural and ethnic differences many centuries ago, but in the year 576, when they are barely surviving as a cultural group, they likely would have chosen to cross-breed between their subgroups of Athenian, Spartan, and Macedonian. Or, it's also possible that only one of those groups survives today; perhaps the Athenians. 

Great discussion! 

Cheers,
Jeff T.

 

Ghul wrote:

demetrisathanasopoulos wrote:

- Map reworked by Glynn Seal and to be presented in atlas format and special poster version.
- Gynn Seal has recoloured the map.

- 12 new playable character races (Anglo-Saxon, Carolingian Frank, Esquimaux-Ixian, Greek, Lapp, Lemurian, Moor, Mu, Oon, Roman, Tlingit, Yakut).
- Languages: More available languages available.

i want focus a little on these lines.

does the map has been updated and added new locations in the lore of the setting? like a new city-state? or new named villages for some of the new races?

will you go in a little more detail in languages in 3e. like have examples of how they write in some of those languages. (many people don't know what the Greek / Hellenic alphabet is for example).

as a Greek i feel i have to ask. how in depth are you gonna get in that? Will be there Athenians, Spartans and Macedonians for example (i have added it in my houserules but i will get if you don't go in depth).

The map is mostly the same -- it's been recolored, and we have some new fonts, and there may be a few additional places named, but nothing significant. The default year remains 576, so nothing new such as a city-state has popped up overnight. 

Bear in mind that the new races are mostly not new (except for the Franks, mentioned in 3e for the first time). They've been mentioned in previous editions as either considered extinct or close to it. These are small population groups that cling to survival in various lands and in small cultural groups in the City-State of Khromarium.

We're not going that detailed into the Greek writing system, not any other writing system (from the real world or the fictional races). That level of depth is something you would have to develop on your own, but I do appreciate that you are able to bring a greater level of authenticity to the Hellenic people of your Hyperborea campaign!

The same thing goes for Athenian, Spartans, and Macedonians. Because the Greeks of Hyperborea have been in the realm for more than a thousand years, and because their race is in severe decline (Green Death, wars, monsters, intermingling with others), distinguishing between them is not being done in any official capacity -- but of course you are welcome to do so in your campaign. The surviving Greeks may have had their cultural and ethnic differences many centuries ago, but in the year 576, when they are barely surviving as a cultural group, they likely would have chosen to cross-breed between their subgroups of Athenian, Spartan, and Macedonian. Or, it's also possible that only one of those groups survives today; perhaps the Athenians. 

Great discussion! 

Cheers,
Jeff T.

 

excellent.
thank you so much about that clarification.
i was "afraid" of a huge change of the map mostly.

i do understand the weird balance of all these demographics though, but i felt i had to ask.
in due time will make a supplement with examples of greek writing and how i think greek could be in the hyperbοrean world.

thank you a lot.

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