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9/21/2017 12:18 pm  #1


Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

Any thought ever given to that?  I mean we have Ice Lords (2e), Fire Lords, Death Soldiers......why not a Warlock who practices Illusionist magic.  I'm thinking that variant might be called a Shadow Lord, or perhaps Lord of Deception.

 

9/21/2017 3:12 pm  #2


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

Phantom Lord

Phantasm Soldier


What? Me worry?
 

9/21/2017 3:14 pm  #3


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

Shadow Lord does seem best.

Not that I've stopped thinking


What? Me worry?
 

9/21/2017 4:55 pm  #4


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

gizmomathboy wrote:

Phantom Lord

 



"Phantom Lord"

Sound is ripping through your ears
The deafening sound of metal nears
Your body's waiting for his whips
The taste of leather on your lips

Hear the cry of war
Louder than before
With his sword in hand
To control the land
Crushing metal strikes
On this frightening night
Fall onto your knees
For the Phantom Lord

Victims falling under chains
You hear them crying dying pains
The fist of terror's breaking through
Now there's nothing you can do

Hear the cry of war
Louder than before
With his sword in hand
To control the land
Crushing metal strikes
On this frightening night
Fall onto your knees
For the Phantom Lord

The leather armies have prevailed
The Phantom Lord has never failed
Smoke is lifting from the ground
The rising volume metal sound

Hear the cry of war
Louder than before
With his sword in hand
To control the land
Crushing metal strikes
On this frightening night
Fall onto your knees
For the Phantom Lord

Fall to your knees
And bow to the Phantom Lord


Blackadder23: Insanely long villain soliloquy, then "Your action?"
BORGO'S PLAYER: I shoot him in the face
 

9/21/2017 5:49 pm  #5


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

I knew I could count on Chainsaw not to miss that opportunity.

 

9/21/2017 6:13 pm  #6


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

DMPrata wrote:

I knew I could count on Chainsaw not to miss that opportunity.

\m/ >_< \m/


Blackadder23: Insanely long villain soliloquy, then "Your action?"
BORGO'S PLAYER: I shoot him in the face
 

9/21/2017 8:20 pm  #7


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

It's easy enough to house rule in. Warlock that does illusion magic. Done.

Theurgist?
Spellbinder?


"I, Satampra Zeiros of Uzuldaroum, shall write with my left hand, since I have no longer any other, the tale of everything that befell Tirouv Ompallios and myself in the shrine of the god Tsathoggua..."
 

9/21/2017 8:41 pm  #8


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

foxroe wrote:

It's easy enough to house rule in. Warlock that does illusion magic. Done.

Theurgist?
Spellbinder?

well yeah, a kickass name is the hard part!

     Thread Starter
 

9/21/2017 10:21 pm  #9


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

francisca wrote:

foxroe wrote:

It's easy enough to house rule in. Warlock that does illusion magic. Done.

Theurgist?
Spellbinder?

well yeah, a kickass name is the hard part!

Well I like Spellbinder, but it doesn't quite evoke the warrior aspect of the proposed class. Phantom/Shadow Lord fit well, but I don't feel that they evoke the setting as much. It also depends on the intended flavor of the class. Will it be a nefarious and deceptive fighter? Will it be more Bard-like (a warrior-poet)? Will it be a battlefield commander, influencing minds and melees, etc? Does any of that make sense?


"I, Satampra Zeiros of Uzuldaroum, shall write with my left hand, since I have no longer any other, the tale of everything that befell Tirouv Ompallios and myself in the shrine of the god Tsathoggua..."
 

9/21/2017 10:30 pm  #10


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

Wait! I got it!

HYPNO-HACKER!

It's most epic. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/grin.png
http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/errr.png
http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/stoned.png


"I, Satampra Zeiros of Uzuldaroum, shall write with my left hand, since I have no longer any other, the tale of everything that befell Tirouv Ompallios and myself in the shrine of the god Tsathoggua..."
 

9/22/2017 7:34 pm  #11


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

Tweak the game to taste, of course, but I think there's a good reason the warlock doesn't have an illusionist option and the legerdemainist doesn't have a necromancer option.

 

9/22/2017 7:57 pm  #12


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

DMPrata wrote:

Tweak the game to taste, of course, but I think there's a good reason the warlock doesn't have an illusionist option and the legerdemainist doesn't have a necromancer option.

And what reason is that? Not trying to be snarky/combative/whatever; I'm assuming that you know something we don't http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png


"I, Satampra Zeiros of Uzuldaroum, shall write with my left hand, since I have no longer any other, the tale of everything that befell Tirouv Ompallios and myself in the shrine of the god Tsathoggua..."
 

9/22/2017 8:03 pm  #13


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

Here's a random thought... make the illusion spell casting ability innate, restrict the class to light armor (or no armor other than shields), and call it a Psionicist. Might need to add some flavor spells though...


"I, Satampra Zeiros of Uzuldaroum, shall write with my left hand, since I have no longer any other, the tale of everything that befell Tirouv Ompallios and myself in the shrine of the god Tsathoggua..."
 

9/23/2017 8:56 am  #14


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

foxroe wrote:

DMPrata wrote:

Tweak the game to taste, of course, but I think there's a good reason the warlock doesn't have an illusionist option and the legerdemainist doesn't have a necromancer option.

And what reason is that? Not trying to be snarky/combative/whatever; I'm assuming that you know something we don't http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

Sorry, I should have elaborated. I think the illusionist option fits the legerdemainist better, as a sneaky and deceptive character archetype. In the same vein, animating a small army of skeletons and zombies to do one's bidding seems more fighter-like than thief-like; thus the necromancer option for warlocks, but not for legerdemainists. Again, individual referees should feel free to make different design decisions for their own campaigns. I'm just expounding on what I presume to be Jeff's reasoning. Jeff and I long have operated by Crowley's maxim, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law". http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

 

9/23/2017 1:10 pm  #15


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

I agree with Dave's specific reasoning in this case. Also, more generally, I personally like to maintain distinctions between the various classes, for flavor if nothing else. I really don't even care that much about the in-universe justification. If legerdemainists and warlocks each have a school of magic that the other can't use, and if they both share schools of magic that shamans can't use, it forces players to make choices, and choices (IMO) are good. If a player questioned it, I would just say something along the lines of "Xathoqqua moves in mysterious ways". http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

On the other hand, if a referee wants to allow it, I say go for it. http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/smile.png


"The fear of death, its risk each time, is one of the most stimulating parts of the game. It therefore behooves the referee to include as many mystifying and dangerous areas as is consistent with a reasonable chance for survival." - J. Eric Holmes
 

9/23/2017 8:35 pm  #16


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

DMPrata wrote:

Sorry, I should have elaborated. I think the illusionist option fits the legerdemainist better, as a sneaky and deceptive character archetype. In the same vein, animating a small army of skeletons and zombies to do one's bidding seems more fighter-like than thief-like; thus the necromancer option for warlocks, but not for legerdemainists. Again, individual referees should feel free to make different design decisions for their own campaigns. I'm just expounding on what I presume to be Jeff's reasoning. Jeff and I long have operated by Crowley's maxim, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law". http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/wink.png

Ahhh, got it. I was hoping for some really cool Hyperborean lore tid-bit, but I like your reasoning. At the very least it makes sense aesthetically.
 


"I, Satampra Zeiros of Uzuldaroum, shall write with my left hand, since I have no longer any other, the tale of everything that befell Tirouv Ompallios and myself in the shrine of the god Tsathoggua..."
 

9/23/2017 10:02 pm  #17


Re: Warlock of the Illusionist bent...

francisca wrote:

foxroe wrote:

It's easy enough to house rule in. Warlock that does illusion magic. Done.

Theurgist?
Spellbinder?

well yeah, a kickass name is the hard part!

I've used Phantasmyr for my more-real-than illusions class of illusionists.  It's a good name but I'm not sure it evokes much warrior-ocity either....

Allan.
 

 

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