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2/18/2015 6:54 pm  #21


Re: Backstabbing

Hey, even my players don't make that much use of hirelings and henchmen, I think because the H&Hs die all the time. Which to me seems like a feature rather than a bug in that the PCs aren't the ones dying . . .

 

2/18/2015 6:58 pm  #22


Re: Backstabbing

It's pretty funny.

PC: "Hey I'll give you 3gp to come into this dungeon with me."
Hireling 1: "Yeah okay, I'm starving man, I need the money!"

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2 days later...

PC: "Hey I'll give you 3gp to come into this dungeon with me"
Hireling 2: "What happened to my friend?"
PC: "Oh...you know...he didn't make it."
Hireling 2: "Yeah okay, I'm starving man, I need the money!"
 

 

2/18/2015 7:08 pm  #23


Re: Backstabbing

I think the guilt starts getting to them.

 

2/18/2015 7:25 pm  #24


Re: Backstabbing

In one of my AD&D campaigns, all of the hirelings came from a guild called "The Red Cloaks". http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/cute.png


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2/18/2015 7:26 pm  #25


Re: Backstabbing

Blackadder23 wrote:

In one of my AD&D campaigns, all of the hirelings came from a guild called "The Red Cloaks". http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/cute.png

Are they at all similar to the guild called "The Red Shirts"?
 

 

2/18/2015 9:20 pm  #26


Re: Backstabbing

Great feedback, my friends. Lots of food for thought!


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2/19/2015 6:47 am  #27


Re: Backstabbing

Rastus_Burne wrote:

Yeah sure, it is about the game you want to play. The thief gets fairly quick level progression compared with other classes, which is a great perk, plus their abilities are very useful in a dungeon/urban context. I really enjoy the thief personally. I've played cleric-less games, and do not mind breaking outside the realm of archetypical parties, but I do think the game has to work for the players too. I would rather hand out a few extra backstabs every now and then, than have a party constantly dying. But you're right: it is an ability that is best handled sparingly. 

Situational for me as well.  Thats why they have those other skills to go ahead and get in position.  Back stab gets used a lot more when the party plans for it.

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4/25/2015 7:20 pm  #28


Re: Backstabbing

I'm much more liberal with backstabs personally. In the described situation, I'd probably have the thief roll a hide in shadows check and then, if successful a move silently check with a hefty bonus since the other group would not know where he is coming from and if that fails, a suprise check. Then if all that fails, no backstab, otherwise I'd still give them a chance, they still have to hit. Thieves are prone to miss a lot of the time anyway, so I think my ruling is pretty fair.

 

4/25/2015 8:41 pm  #29


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Devinbattery wrote:

I'm much more liberal with backstabs personally. In the described situation, I'd probably have the thief roll a hide in shadows check and then, if successful a move silently check with a hefty bonus since the other group would not know where he is coming from and if that fails, a suprise check. Then if all that fails, no backstab, otherwise I'd still give them a chance, they still have to hit. Thieves are prone to miss a lot of the time anyway, so I think my ruling is pretty fair.

I waffle on this myself, Devin. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

Also, welcome aboard.


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4/26/2015 12:27 am  #30


Re: Backstabbing

Thanks, hopefully I'll get started playing soon!

 

4/26/2015 2:42 am  #31


 

4/28/2015 9:46 am  #32


Re: Backstabbing

I adjudicate this on a case by case basis.  In combat, sometimes it is viable to sneak up on somebody, other times it isn't.  Sometimes the fray itself diverts attention, and helps the thief move unnoticed.  On other occassions, the heightened level of alertness works against the thief.  Suffice to say, you have to really explain well what you are doing to me before I even consider picking up the dice and rolling them.

Blackadder23 wrote:

In one of my AD&D campaigns, all of the hirelings came from a guild called "The Red Cloaks". http://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/cute.png

I had one like that, too.  The Redshirts.  They were the hired muscle in my campaign, and all wore scarlet-stained chain shirts, and were badasses.  It was really a cruel joke on my players at the time.

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12/16/2017 10:12 am  #33


Re: Backstabbing

Thread Resurrection!

Reading this thread I realize I'm super liberal with backstabbing! 
We have an assassin and a henchman thief in the party (both played by the same player) and I allow more pulp/cinematic use of backstabbing. Basically, if there is a good description and good cover during combat I'll let thief types roll hide or move silently to slip off for a round and maneuver in for a backstab if the combat warrants. It creates a nice tactical element for the thief player to watch and take advantage of. To me, it makes them naturally play like a rogue, which is pretty cool.

Not saying this is better than the old school thief way. We just have a lot of combat and action in our games and it gives the thief types something to do.


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